Matt Lauer:
As host of Comedy Centrals late night program, The Daily
Show, sharp-witted comedian Jon Stewart anchors a newscast
in which he makes fun of the news and those who cover it.
[Clip from
The Daily Show talking about the Miss America pageant]
Lauer:
Did I mention this is on cable?
Jon Stewart:
[laughing] This is on cable.
Lauer:
Now in his first book of essays called Naked Pictures of Famous
People, hardly the case by the way, Stewart takes on President
John F. Kennedy, Princess Diana, Bill Gates, and Martha Stewart.
Jon, welcome back. Good to see you.
Stewart:
Nice to see you as well. I feel after clips like that I have to
just explain myself.
Lauer:
You have to defend yourself?
Stewart:
We were really drunk... I don't know what happened...
Lauer:
[Laughs] You can have a little bit more of a license to do things
like that on cable than on a program like this.
Stewart:
A little? [Laughs] Yeah... that's the first time those clips have
been seen. That's the beauty of cable. Now we'll finally get letters.
Lauer:
Are you having a good time with that show?
Stewart:
Aw, man... it's a ball.
Lauer:
It's a pretty good fit...
Stewart:
It's tremendous. The exciting thing for us is we're putting in
giant windows in our studio, because we realize now that's the
only way to get the people. Were they there, and then you put
the window in?
Lauer:
We figured since they were there we might as well put a window
in.
Stewart:
The new trend... here's what I think is going to happen, because
pretty soon they'll all have windows, because you see everybody's
copying...
Lauer:
Right.
Stewart:
[Quietly] Which by the way, I don't agree with. I think you guys
really invented this whole window thing...
Lauer:
Please don't flatter us...
Stewart:
I think the next trend will be that you have to do it in front
of their window.
Lauer:
You go to their home, so it's a tour of America.
Stewart:
Exactly. In front of their bay window. Just right outside. Al
[Roker, Today's weatherman] will do it!
Lauer:
Did I mention you're on cable, and not on network television?
Stewart:
[Laughs] Yes... I'm on cable!
Lauer:
Let's talk about this book. I get it in my research last night,
Naked Pictures of Famous People, and I'm fanning through
this thing. There isn't one naked picture of a famous person in
this book.
Stewart:
It's meant to be fanned through, but there is no nudity.
Lauer:
So are there no truth in advertising laws when it come to books?
Stewart:
[Pauses] My basic premise here was to get people such as yourself,
the male audience, the let's say oversexed audience. You pick
it up, you look for the naked pictures, and then maybe a little
bit of the text catches your eye.
Lauer:
You actually can read something, like Playboy
Stewart:
Thank you. There's stereo advice in the book, all kinds of things
in there.
Lauer:
Talk about some of the people you write about. You take on President
Kennedy, you take on Gerald Ford, you take on Martha Stewart.
Stewart:
I never consider it taking on because I don't consider it to be
those actual people. I'm sort of writing about their iconic basis
more than I am writing about them themselves. For instance, I
don't know Gerald Ford; I'm sure he's a lovely man.
Lauer:
You make him out to be a bit dimwitted in the book, to say it
mildly I think.
Stewart:
Right. I really jumped on the vanguard of comedy by making Gerald
Ford seem a bit dimwitted.
Lauer:
[Laughs] There's a chapter in the book about Martha Stewart, there's
one on Larry King interviewing Adof Hitler on his show...
Stewart:
Yes.
Lauer:
Again, coming from cable where you can get away with some things
we can't get away with, where in your mind do you draw the line
between saying this could be potentially very funny but it may
offend a whole lot of people?
Stewart:
Four in the morning. That's where you draw the line. You say,
"If I don't finish this by four in the morning, honestly,
I think my girlfriend is going to kill me."
Lauer:
[Laughs]
Stewart:
So then you just do this and type it in there, and then you hit
save...
Lauer:
Yeah, on the computer.
Stewart:
...which you couldn't do before. And then whatever happens, happens.
You hit save and then somehow it gets e-mailed to your editor.
Lauer:
These little takes are a longer version of what you do on The
Daily Show
Stewart:
Yes, well the essays are almost just premises. The idea behind
the Larry King interviewing Hitler was more that we are basically
an apologist society. That people continually screw up and they
are disgraced, and then about six to eight months later they come
and they do the circuit again and they say, "You know, I
don't know what I was thinking! I must have been out of my mind
there when I did all of those terrible things."
Lauer:
I'm not that bad of a guy.
Stewart:
Exactly. So what I did was I took the most extreme examples of
what those are. And they're so not meant to offend, they're literally
just meant to be funny.
Lauer:
Speaking of not meant to offend... you're going to cover politics
on The Daily Show, the 2000 election... what do you think
of what Jessie Ventura said last week? [referring to his comments
in Playboy]
Stewart:
You know, I think people take way to seriously what ex-wrestlers
say.
Lauer:
But what about the governor of Minnesota?
Stewart:
It's amazing to me, that the actual events, and this goes along
with the way people talk about the offensiveness of comedy. And
they forget that comedy is just mearly a comment on an event.
We did a bit about... I can't remember what it was, but it was
something where someone got very upset about it, but it was right
after the embassy bombing during the war in Kosovo, but they were
angry with us because we had offended them somehow.
Lauer:
Comedy is sometimes an easy target.
Stewart:
It's an extremely easy target, but it sort of begs the issue,
the real issue which is reality can be offensive, jokes typically
cannot. The worst thing you can say about a joke is that they're
just not funny.
Lauer:
So if you turn to this book to just be enlightened and get a giggle
out of it, there's some very funny stuff.
Stewart:
A giggle. Enlightenment will never come from this book. You will
get a giggle, and it fits so easily into your bathroom you have
no idea.
Lauer:
[Laughs] 18 chapters, 18 trips to the bathroom.
Stewart:
Thank you very much.
Lauer:
Naked Pictures of Famous People. Jon Stewart, always good
to have you.
Stewart:
Nice to have you.... uh...
Lauer:
Nice to have us here.
Stewart:
Fine. Next time I will drink coffee.